Well at this point the closure appears to be that we are left with Mr. Carle’s remark, as it was quoted.

I’ve sent emails through his web site and directly to his personal email, with no reply.

And when I checked most recently, the story with his quote is still on his web site with no remarks or qualification.

In the process I did chat with some folks who are heavily into Mr. Phillips career and learned a some things in the process, as I usually do when I talk with serious researchers.

For example, it may not be too strange that the University placement officer referred Mr. Carle to David Phillips; it appears that Phillips was indeed maintaining a level of visibility and in 1985 he published a book on “Careers in Secret Operations”.

In 1987 he was teaching seminars on the subject:


And in 1989 he published another book on his career, “Secret Wars Diary”.

All in all, Phillips was far from being reclusive.

— Larry





About Larry Hancock

Larry Hancock is a leading historian-researcher in the JFK assassination. Co-author with Connie Kritzberg of November Patriots and author of the 2003 research analysis publication titled also Someone Would Have Talked. In addition, Hancock has published several document collections addressing the 112th Army Intelligence Group, John Martino, and Richard Case Nagell. In 2000, Hancock received the prestigious Mary Ferrell New Frontier Award for the contribution of new evidence in the Kennedy assassination case. In 2001, he was also awarded the Mary Ferrell Legacy Award for his contributions of documents released under the JFK Act.

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  1. In reference to this post, I need to extend thanks to Zach Robertson and Steve Rosen who provided the insights into some of Phillips later day activities including his seminars and his last books – Careers in Secret Operations and Secret War Diary. I had totally missed those and look forward to reading them.

    Also, Randy Owen revisited his interview with David Phillips, not long before Phillips death – Randy confirmed that Phillips was still willing to chat with some length, further indication that he had become anything bur reclusive.

    Hopefully we will hear more about Phillips in the future, its good to know thee are still people out there actively carrying on research.

    — Larry

  2. Mark Groubert says:

    Larry, just found your fantastic blog. I was looking to the relationship between LBJ, Col. Burris, George De Mohrenschildt and Mr. Charles of Haiti. I had read that they all met in DC on April 26th 1963 and discussed airplane sales from Texas to Haiti. I know Johnson was dealing with the SST at the time. Just wondering what your take is on all this stuff. Did they really meet. Matlack seemed to acknowledge they did but cannot find that anywhere.

    • Hi Mark, I don’t know if you have the third edition of SWHT but if you do check out Chapter 20, I go into that De Mohrenschildt in some detail, especially the truly dangerous detail he knew about Oswald but didn’t realize until even after his WC interviews. As to the meeting, the meeting between Burris and De Mohrenschildt did actually happen – Burris was representing Johnson in his role as his international affairs aide. It gets somewhat humorous in a way because the Baron’s apparent goal was simply to leverage any White House contact in his business dealings – he was quite skilled at that. It was even more humorous because during that trip, Army intelligence was trying to get CIA to take on the Col as an informant but CIA took a pass on him because of his somewhat dubious reputation as a “promoter”. They apparently did see fit to do some follow up mail intercepts on him though.

      In any event, yes the meeting did happen but it was pretty much pro forma and the discussion was the possibility of US support for Clemard Charles who was traveling with the Baron, who was his business partner in Haiti and whom the Baron wanted to impress.

      — Larry

      • Mark Groubert says:

        Luckily I also have the kindle version as my hard copy only goes to Chapter 19 – love the book, Larry. Great marvelous work. Lemme take a look at 20 on the kindle so I can respond. Thanks so much for getting back to me. Regarding Burris and The CIA, it has been written that he handled Nosenko in Switzerland and went back to the early fifties as an intelligence operative under attache embassy cover. More later…

      • Mark Groubert says:

        Fascinating Larry. Great work on the Baron. I’ve read that all the money that went into Baron’s Haitian bank account was paid out of the account soon after, leaving the possibility of him being a trustworthy paymaster to the plot. It would make sense as he had handled large sums before. I’ve heard the money came though USAID and not from Duvalier. Also Matlack said that DeM was a puppet master to Charles controlling all his moves and that Charles was scared shitless for calling for the overthrow of Papa Doc and help from US. I would also assume LBJ knew DeM via Clint Murchison as DeM worked for Three States Oil and was looking after Murchison’s interests in Haiti while down there (meat packing, ranch).

        Found out Gen. McHugh who was fired by LBJ for obvious reasons lived around the corner from where George D’s life ended. A few blocks away in Palm Beach. Keep it up Larry – great blog!

      • Thanks Mark, glad you have Chapter 20 available. In regard to the Baron, one of the things we have to accept is that he was a master at being a “promoter” which means he would do favors for lots of people and leverage any and all of his contacts for increased leverage. One of the avenues that has always interested me is whether or not he might have done some personal favors, including moving money on and offshore, for Col. Burris… for Burris own oil investments and business investments. Burris did business with some very shady friends of Bobby Baker…the typical DC lobbyists who were always into so many things. One was a fellow named Mickey Weiner

        Actually I never could find much evidence of contact between Johnson and the Baron, other than from the Baron’s side. He was clearly seeking more of that for his own leverage.

        In any event, we can continue after you have had a chance to scan through Chapter 20. I’m sure the Baron’s connections were used for some fascinating things and I know people doing more good research on that; hopefully we will see more details coming out before too long.

        — Larry

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