Its not an unknown state of mind in regard to the JFK assassination; I’ve been there many times over the last thirty plus years of delving into it. What has led me back into it at the moment is the response to Tipping Point.

Given that it was serialized online for over three months and now has been out in print for some time, I would have expected more questions than I’ve received – especially given that it introduced a number of new names into the equation, proposed a set of specific activities involving the CIA’s SAS group and JMWAVE’s activities in and around Lee Oswald in the fall of 1963 and got pretty specific about the actual conspiracy and the attack in Dallas. Its the furthest out on the conspiracy limb I’ve gone and usually when you do that the results are pretty predictable.

While there have been a few good questions about the new names and connections introduced in the book, I would have expected more given that the associations are quite complex and evolved significantly over a number of years – especially among those I’ve designated as actual participants. In other words, when you add that much history you expect it to be challenging for readers and I have no claim to have simplified matters to the point of being crystal clear in my writing.

Beyond that, in Someone Would Have Talked I closed a number of chapters with suggestions as to very specific pieces of research I thought would move matters forward. Somewhat surprisingly in many instances those leads did prove out and new research produced material that appeared in both NEXUS and finally in Tipping Point. However following Tipping Point I’ve hit a bit of a wall and am not sure what specific new research is viable in terms of moving further – not that there are not lots of open questions and leads, but with close to sixty years having past I’m not sure which of them are viable or that I should recommend. On the other hand, if some of you have decided to pursue certain leads I’d love to hear about it and any progress you have going forward.

So in pursuit of both issues – outstanding questions and new research directions, I’m soliciting questions that remain in reader’s minds or specific leads they think have potential in terms of the people and historical material still available. For reference those could come out of any of the major sections of Tipping Point:

Realty Check

The Cuba Backstory

Enter Lee Oswald

People in Motion

Context for Conspiracy

The Conspiracy / Operating in Dallas

Feel free to either post your thoughts on this thread or email me direct (which may be best given that provides more room for extended discussion) at larryjoe@westok.net

8 responses »

  1. paul brancato says:

    Larry – I think it’s JFK fatigue and Covid. I haven’t even looked at it yet, and it’s not from lack of interest

    • larryjoe2 says:

      I suspect you are entirely right, I’ve definitely experienced fatigue from both although I managed to dodge the Covid and was able to the the vaccinations fairly early… it was still wearing.

      Still hope to encourage folks to “engage” with Tipping Point when they have a chance – and the energy – to do so.

  2. John F. Davies says:

    I’ve had the opportunity to read the Tipping Point postings as well as many of the books mentioned. The real reason why I think this research has not gotten much comment is because (a) The information presented is quite comprehensive and well referenced, but most people want a quick and simple answer, so they just avoid making the effort. Its way too much work. And then (b) Because the information is so thoroughly researched and solid that those whom I call the “Magic Bullet Believers” won’t dare ever to challenge it because the facts and conclusions incontrovertibly prove them wrong. Its been my observation that when dealing with defenders of the Establishment, ( Both Liberal and Conservative.), that they will always shy away from an argument whenever they know facts aren’t on their side and will incontrovertibly prove them wrong.
    I’m speaking here from personal experience.

    Regarding research. At present, I am still very involved in my work on the military response to the JFK assassination, which was covered for the first time in any detail in the book “Surprise Attack”, ( My main reference.). As I’ve said many times before, why this topic has not been looked into is a mystery, and I see it hardly mentioned at all in any military histories of the period. My own recent research has discovered evidence of other nations putting their armed forces on alert as well, which seems to indicate a heightened military posture worldwide. We may possibly have had the next most dangerous moment of the Cold War that weekend. This may also turn out to be an unknown yet significant part of the JFK story, because while all forces were stood down by 24 November, Lyndon Johnson’s own knowledge of the alert may have contributed to his subsequently using the specter of a nuclear exchange to stifle investigations and intimidate dissenting voices.

    There’s one more thing to bring up, and here I confess I’m walking in treacherous ground.
    It is the subject of foreknowledge. What’s not being discussed much in the JFK research community is that if there were any higher level of collusion with the Plotters, it was most likely by omission, rather than commission. What I mean is that certain individuals in Langley and at the Pentagon most likely found out about the Plot’s existence and that it was to be acted on in the Fall of 1963. This was all they needed to know about, and nothing more. And in spite of this, they did nothing to actively prevent the President’s murder. Common sense tells me that the Plotters already knew that their rogue efforts would be picked up by forces within the National Security Establishment, and that the Powers that Be would simply look the other way. This makes a lot of sense because otherwise the Plotters would have never carried out their evil act. Indeed, there had to be a certain level of sympathy from within the National Security State itself for this crime to even happen.

    Which people would have found out? Probably Angleton, Helms, Cord Meyer, and a few others from within the CIA operations division. Also possibly General Cabell, General Landsdale, and a select few from the Intel branches within the Pentagon. And to me
    for the Military, the straw that probably broke the Camel’s back was JFK’s decision not to widen the war in Vietnam, as well as his actively planning for a U.S. withdrawal from SE Asia upon his reelection. As Mr. X said in the movie- “A lot of pissed off people.”
    People who also had a lot to lose if JFK was reelected, and everything to gain if he was out of the way.

    JFD

  3. larryjoe2 says:

    John, point well taken. By forcing myself to be tightly focused (well relatively at least) and by avoiding so many of the issues – such as who fired from exactly where, in what sequence and what wounds were created – I forced any dialog out of the areas where it has been so common for decades. Doing that also focused attention to new people and new connections that have not been generally discussed so you really have to be deeply into the new work by Boylan, Simpich, Morley, and a handful of contemporary researchers – and that requires a truly deep dive many in the community have not taken.

    I guess it remains to be seen if people will find it significant enough to follow the new leads in Tipping Point. Given that its taken a decade for some of us to get where we are now I was probably rash in expecting an immediate dive into the new material.

    On the other hand, once you do take that dive there are possibilities. I’m reviewing some new material just surfaced by David Boylan that may give us a much better lead for the Cuban pilot at Red Bird and the closer we can get to that identification the closer we get to the actual people who went to Dallas for the attack.

    On your other comment about foreknowledge and a related issue some call security stripping. I really did not delve deeply into that in Tipping Point although I spent more time on it in Someone Would Have Talked – which digs into several areas I did not revisit in the newer work.

    So….based on your comment I’m going to sit back and try my hand at a couple of posts on that as I have time. What I can say here is that a) it was absolutely known by the Secret Service that JFK was at risk from anti-Castro Cubans and they demonstrated that on his trip to Florida earlier that fall, b) anecdotal sources state that RFK and JFK were specifically warned about that risk by friends in the same anti-Castro Cuban community, c) based on Vice Palamara’s work we do know that certain special measures were implemented by the Secret Service starting with a JFK trip to New York and extending to the rest of the trips (what we don’t know is exactly why or the full extent), and d) we do know that certain special security measures were taken in Dallas – interestingly the SS lead Lawson initially mentioned that in his remarks but Chief Rowley immediately stepped all over him and shut up any discussion of what that might have meant (we know it meant special, virtually unique security measures at the Trade Mart).

    One of the problems with any such special precautions is illustrated by the trip to Miami where the SS specifically asked the CIA and JMWAVE for security assistance – the problem being that assistance would have required participation by Tony Sforza and his Cuban Intelligence Service….the same guy who was assigned to investigate possible anti-Castro Cuban involvement in the assassination after the fact.

    Anyone who reads Tipping Point will quickly see the problems with that…

  4. AnthonyM says:

    Hi
    I’ve taken a bit of a gap from the JFK subject for a few months…largely just very busy but also because I do share your frustration at what seems to be the current state of play.
    If we look back at the history of the development of ideas for ‘mainstream’ subjects we find that they go through a stage of coalescing into a small number of schools of thought, one of which eventually emerges as the dominant paradigm.
    Unfortunately JFK research seems to be stuck in the pre-school of though phase with vast numbers of conflicting and often poorly founded ideas going around ad nauseam. How many times do read something where the author asserts they ‘believe’ some set of ideas…
    This is a shame as there are a small group of studies, of which Tipping Point is one, which are sufficiently robust to allow a small number of coherent models or scenarios (i.e. schools of thought) to form.
    Tipping Point and the works it builds on sets out a coherent scenario for the question of ‘who’ did it and why…certainly at the group level and with a “short list” of persons of interest, which will be very hard to move significantly deeper.
    There could be an alternative more complex scenario which takes the Tipping Point model and adds additional layers but the evidence for that is not quite there yet.
    And then there is the ‘how’ question. It is quite depressing how many people seem unaware of Donald Thomas’ work, ‘Hear no Evil’ which is of such a high standard that it provides the first ‘end to end’ coherent scenario of the physical shooting scenario I have come across, and so far the only one.
    I am sure opportunities for further development of these models exist, but require very deep knowledge of the evidence which most people do not have at all, and probably no-one now has across the full range of the subject…I certainly don’t.
    So…perhaps future progress will depend on the real experts, people like you, Dr Thomas, John Newman, Bill Simpich etc trying to come together into two or three schools of thought that can then fight it out. This would allow research efforts to focus on specific hypotheses and strip out much of the noise in the system. Not easy to achieve though…perhaps many people just prefer the hunt to finding an actual solution.

  5. larryjoe2 says:

    First, I think the idea of a synthesis study is excellent and I would be happy to participate with other authors/researchers on such an effort. I do know Don and of course Dr. Newman but I’ve not been in on regular contact with either – and as best understand it John has not read Tipping Point, nor have we discussed it. I eagerly read what he has recently published, but it appears to me he is now working on a scenario that I have yet been able to follow in any detail as it would relate to the attack in Dallas.

    I do communicate with David Boylan and Bill Simpich on a weekly, if not daily, basis and there is ongoing development (some of it extremely significant) in certain levels of detail related to the Tipping Point scenario and characters. At some point we will have to write that up and do another research paper on the new work, as it is I can hardly keep up with those two, they can parse documents and send links faster than I can click through them.

    I’m not really aware of anyone else working in that same area/scenario other than Bill Kelly but I would love to hear from anyone who is doing a related study or even book.

    In terms of an “end to end” study which runs through the shooting itself, I’m not sure what I could really provide to that other than some operational remarks and the character histories/skill sets of the participants covered in Tipping Point.

    Still the idea of a synthesis work is intriguing…if anybody wants to do it I’d think by this time they know where to find me…grin.

  6. John F. Davies says:

    “But nobody reads. Don’t believe people read in this country.
    There will be a few professors who will read the record….
    the public will read very little.”
    Allen Dulles
    Warren Commission 1964

  7. larryjoe2 says:

    As it turns out Allen was wrong about a couple of things here and there…

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